Sound Healing for Energetic Expansion with Shana Nunnelly

Sound Healing for Energetic Expansion with Shana Nunnelly

Tara Newman:

Hey, hey, bold leaders. Today we are here with an exciting episode. I have with me what I like to refer to as our team sound healer, Shana. I had met Shana this year in Atlanta when we did a retreat for our mastermind in Atlanta. And then we were supposed to be in Tulum, Mexico, in May, which because of coronavirus got canceled and we were able to have Shana come again, virtually this time, and do some sound healing for our mastermind members. And I’m excited to have Shana with us today because Shana actually owns two businesses. She owns a beauty salon and a sound healing business. And we’re here to talk about what is sound healing? How does it work? Why is it important? And really get to talking about how we can be healing trauma, how we can be resting as business owners, how we can be building our energetic capacity as a business owner.

And one of the reasons why I’m so passionate about this is because we have a mission. I call it the mission behind the mission. So we have a mission in our business. And then I have the mission that I don’t talk about as much and I think, I’m going to start talking about it more and that is how can we help business owners heal through showing up for their most important work in the world because I believe that work can be healing. And I think that we get a lot of messages that work causes burnout. But when we show up for our most important work, our most meaningful work in the world, I believe that that has a healing effect. And one of the things that I’m a big proponent of in terms of how we perform in our businesses is really caring for our nervous system.

And so that’s why when we hold retreats, the first day of our retreat is all about rest and caring for our nervous system. And I know a lot of people think of that as like froofy or, well, I didn’t come to a retreat just to rest. I mean, my people don’t say that, but I’ve heard that said before, and really what that rest does and pulling, de-loading that nervous system allows us to do is actually step into a greater place of strategic thinking and critical thinking in our businesses. So without further ado, I’m going to introduce Shana Nunnelly and she is going to tell us a little bit about herself right now. So, hey Shana.

Shana Nunnelly:

Hey.

Tara Newman:

Thank you for being here.

Shana Nunnelly:

Thank you for having me. I am excited. Of course, I know everybody says that when they get on a podcast, but anytime you get interviewed for doing the thing that you love, it’s always like, I’m so excited.

Tara Newman:

What I think is so funny is that we’ve completely met by like happenstance.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah.

Tara Newman:

Like we Googled sound healers in Atlanta and I did like a little energetic scan and I was like, Shana is the one.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah. So that’s been a great story for me to tell. A lot of my friends in wellness is about our experience together and how… So let me start from the business leadership standpoint. I came into sound healing from being burnt out at the salon, even though the salon was what I thought was my life path. So that goes back to what you were saying in the introduction, but sound healing, just like the type of hair that I was doing… I do natural curly hair. Anybody who has curly hair come and see us right in Atlanta. But when I was starting to do that, it was a phenomenon that I had to educate women on what it meant to just let your hair be what it is and not try to conform to a white standard of beauty. And the white standard of beauty, especially in the South, was blonde and straight.

So the first, at least six or seven years of my salon career was about educating women on how just to take care of themselves in a natural way. How do they take care of their natural hair and make it look beautiful and presentable? The same thing happened with sound healing. It’s this new industry that nobody knows what it is and why would we ever want to show up? So the first couple of years and beyond it still continues is the interest just to tell people why this benefits them because it’s not a part of our normal society. So to have someone who says, “I was living in this whole other state, I had never heard of you, I Googled this thing and you all knew about.” So that’s phenomenal. And I’m moving into this space where someone is just calling me and saying, “Hey, we heard about you to do this thing about rest.”

Then it’s with women who, since I started sound healing, these are the people that I wanted to serve. Like I was blown away, right? Because I’m so used to having to pitch it saying, “Hey, I know that you all are a retreat. I do this thing. Let me send you a clip. Let me tell you how this would benefit your clients, mull it over, see how you feel about it.” Or having someone who comes to a yoga studio, which yoga is a field of wellness all itself but that’s the only place that would welcome sound healers because yoga-

Tara Newman:

Yes. Yoga is like the gateway.

Shana Nunnelly:

It was the gateway.

Tara Newman:

The gateway to sound healing. So I found sound healing on retreat. I was in Palm Springs, California on a retreat and our retreat leader took us to the integration, which is like this-

Shana Nunnelly:

Oh, yes. I have been there.

Tara Newman:

Like this dome-shaped building that the acoustics or specifically dialed in or whatever. And so we had sound healing there. And so if anybody’s listening to this and as they go through their interest is peaked, their curiosity is peaked at all. I really want to encourage you. We’re going to put Shana’s information in the show notes, but I want to really encourage everybody to go and experience it because Shana and I are going to talk about this from an intellectual and a logical perspective, but sound healing really needs to be experienced. So if you’re like, “Will this work for me? Is this possible for me? Maybe I’d like to get some of the benefits that Shana is talking about.” I really want to encourage you not to think about it, but to go and invest and try it because it’s something that you really need to experience. So what is sound healing?

Shana Nunnelly:

Okay. So sound healing is using sound vibration specifically as a means to calm your nervous system, calm your fight or flight, to get you in a zone of relaxation that leads to a whole different, not different, but it leads you to your own personal center. Center being that place of peace for you, that place of being connected, the place where you’re probably already extremely exhausted just from your own thoughts and trying to manage life, just managing being a human. And so it allows you automatically by no effort of your own to go into a deeper place of rest. So the way that I explained it is like for me, going to music concerts, it’s kind of like church because in the black church, you have all this music going on. And when that music happens, it takes over your heartbeat. It takes over your movement. And a lot of times you go into this zone where you just feel uplifted.

And so that’s what people feel when they go to concerts. They feel this beat, they feel this stuff, they feel these things and this music that just kind of takes them to this place of really feeling unified a lot of times when you go to concerts and stuff or witness something like that, that you love. And so the vibrations in these bowls that we use for sound healing or gongs are quartz crystal. So when you have a wine glass and you have water in them and you can spin around and it makes like that little ringing kind of noise, the quartz crystal bowls work in that same way. When I spin around that, it sends out this physical vibration and the sound. And the sound and this humming physically make your mind and your body and your nerves relax.

So the same way that we do things to induce pleasurable experiences like wine or people use chamomile tea because they know that it’s going to hit their nerves in a certain way to relax, that’s exactly what the sounds of these quartz crystal bowls do. They send this vibration and it’s no different than taking an able medicine, taking a wine, taking all those things that will induce this rest, and digest your parasympathetic nervous system. So that’s the science behind it. To go further, the reason that they’re different sizes and different notes is because the different notes activate different things in our body. Again, that’s just the science of it. So if you have one bowl, this bowl vibrates at this certain place, then it activates what you’ll call your heart chakra. And so it opens up this place of vulnerability within you that you can just relax in. And you’re like, “Wow. I feel love for my partner.” Or different things that you particularly need. And what I love about it is that although you play them, it’s about the person specifically.

So I was talking to someone and it was like, people are innately selfish. Well, sound healing is perfect for that because it innately puts you back in tune with yourself, the deepest self of you and it’s soothing. So it’s not a part that you necessarily have to be scared of. It’s not the part that you are fighting against. You just get to be in that space. So music has memory, right? So if you listen to Michael Jackson and you were a little kid when this certain song came, like the Bad album was like that for me, like when I hear certain things or you hear that, you know what I mean? You’re like, “Oh, that’s Thriller.” And there’s just something that happens when you listen to Thriller that you either get scared because you were scared as a kid watching it, or you get like, “I’m going to dance the routine.”

That’s what music does. And so it’s the same thing with the bowls. When you hear this vibration, it lessens these nerve endings and allows you to rest in this space that yes, you are vulnerable, but you feel very held. You feel very safe to go into those spaces. So those of us who are sound therapists are not necessarily performers. We don’t know music, we study it to understand it, but we understand that the notes that we’re studying, we’re just not trying to make a melody. We are trying to create space for healing. And so we pick our instruments, not based on performance a lot of times. We’re based on what that instrument does to people energetically. So that’s how we choose the collection. Or if we don’t have a collection, some of us just use voice and they use their own voice and teach people how to hum, teach people how to use their own particular voice to heal themselves. So everybody uses different things.

Tara Newman:

I just want to back up a second. How did you find sound healing?

Shana Nunnelly:

So I found sound healing because I was a member of this place called Decatur Healing Arts that had all these different modalities of healing and I’ve always been open to it. But I also was a member because I wanted to get a massage every month. So with my massage, when I was looking for something… I needed something deeper because I was in a really, really bad state of actual physical exhaustion where I would go on what you would call like a forced vacation for three days. And I would go to Miami and I would just look at the train tracks.

I’m not even going to the ocean. I physically can’t even make it from my friend’s house to the ocean to have a meditative experience. All I could do was go outside of his house, to his backyard and his backyard backed up to a train track in Miami. So I just sat there and all. I would sit there, now people have mantras or affirmations. I’ve always been this person since I was 18 who’s so into wellness and self-help. And there was no mantra. The only thing that I kept saying over and over again is I need space in my brain. I can’t describe how insane that feels.

Tara Newman:

It was just at the time that you were running your salon, you were building your business, what were some of those factors? Did you have… I know so many women have the belief that you have to work harder to make more money, were these some of the things that were factoring in for you?

Shana Nunnelly:

So what was factoring in for me was a huge amount of lack of self-worth. I mean, it was really, really people-pleasing, doing whatever it is that I could to make everyone happy, having this idea of, like you said, if I work more and if I can be there for everybody, then everything is going to be okay. And that is ultimately what shut me down. Yes, I had teams, but because I would not adequately communicate because I had childhood issues of communication. That I had this vision for what I wanted it to be and just assume that everybody would just fall in line, I had no idea how to manage. I thought management was parenting. And I was like, why would I have to parent adults? That seems crazy to give them like rules and parents and guidelines. I thought that that was crazy.

I thought if we’re all a team, we’ll all just come up with the rules together. Not happening. I also have a son. My son was living in Nashville with his dad. They’re like all these particulars with that but we would have to meet up in Chattanooga, which is two hours away. So after working nonstop, I would leave there Friday night after working all night, meet him at a gas station, get my son and then drive all the way back and get up in the morning and go back to work, bring my son to work with me the entire weekend. Because weekends are the days that salons are the biggest. Instead of me saying, “I’m with my son,” I would say, “No, I have to make money.” So I have to sacrifice that and bring him with me. And that’s what I thought was a big sacrifice. Oh my God, I have a job where I can bring my child to it. Because my mom worked three jobs and I could never go with her.

So I thought, at least I’m not leaving him here with the babysitter. He gets to come to work with me, who does that? So it was just the amount that I thought that I could hold and that I did hold. The amount of not having mentors, I studied people and mimicked their life versus actually having an active therapist and active business partner, anything, an active marriage partner because I was single, you know what I mean? So I didn’t have anyone to kind of say, “Well, babe, why don’t you get a manager for that? I don’t you talk to them.” No one to run it off of. So my business became my self-help. It became like I have to face every single demon. And that was one of the first times when I sat out and I’m like, I’m looking at a train track and all I can say is I need more space in my brain. And you know what that making more space was? So that I could work more.

Tara Newman:

You were really on the hustle train as what I’m hearing.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah. I was like, no, if I get more space in my brain then I can solve these things, I can solve the reason that I don’t have space in my brain. So I was looking for different… I had done acupuncture. I had done all these different things to try to get myself to where my physical body would be able to go back to that type of grind and hustle, not ever realizing that the grind and hustle are what I needed to stop doing. I just wanted to appeal to make it better.

Tara Newman:

Okay. So your first insight was like physical? Like you were physically tired, you had physical pain. So let me-

Shana Nunnelly:

The physical pain was excruciating.

Tara Newman:

The physical body plus being a stylist you’re on your feet, your arms are up in the air. I mean, like it’s…

Shana Nunnelly:

I had no idea. I started doing hair when I was 14, so I still have a 14-year-old mentality, 14-year-old bodies don’t say, “This hurts.” The 14-year body’s like, “Oh, my back is getting stronger because I’m sitting over this straight at the shampoo bowl and it’s hurting.” That’s what all the people say when they work out but that was my 14-year-old brain being like, “Yeah. You can keep doing this. You just probably need to work out more so that your back gets stronger.” I had no idea that it was like, “Oh, your feet hurt because you should probably stop.” It was like, “Oh, let me ice some tonight because that’s what all the athletes do.” That was my mentality like you treat this thing like that, anytime it hurts, do something to upgrade. So that it could be longer, stronger, faster, harder.

Tara Newman:

So that’s where the acupuncture and the massage, the physical body and then you were there and you saw this sound healing thing. And you-

Shana Nunnelly:

Let me put this in the air for all the people who are listening and they’ve gone to the doctor to give them something to numb out or you’re drinking wine every night to numb out, you’re literally doing the same thing I was doing. I just happened to study self-help and holistic stuff when I was 18. So those are my go-to quick fixes. You know what I mean? And everybody has them. Nobody wants to look at the shadow work of, you have low self-worth here. If you really think that you can do all this and you’re burnt out, then instead of you saying, “What do I need to do different?” Or, “How can my schedule change or should I slow down or should I get help and assistance?” No, you just thought you were going to get a massage and make it better.

Tara Newman:

I think you just made a really important distinction and I want to make sure I heard it correctly.

Shana Nunnelly:

Okay.

Tara Newman:

So since you were 18, you were doing self-help things.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yep.

Tara Newman:

And you distinguish that there’s a difference between that and looking at the shadow self.

Shana Nunnelly:

Absolutely.

Tara Newman:

Okay. So can you give me what the difference is? Because I think this is incredibly important and you said you were numbing out on self-help. And so if you can just take us a little deeper into that because I actually think that this is a big problem that people don’t maybe realize they have.

Shana Nunnelly:

So the difference between self-help and actually helping yourself is in the shadow work. The whole point of self-help is to bring you to being a balanced human. And it’s giving you ways to understand yourself and to cope. So what I hear a lot of times when I’m talking to other friends who are really, really into self-help, they will start to make an excuse. “Oh, well, the reason I do X, Y, and Z is because of this childhood issue.” But you’re not changing the issue. Okay, so you recognize this. So now that we’re recognizing it, what do you do next? So it happened a lot during not only COVID but also with the race situation in the wellness community, with the race revolts, there’s this spiritual bypass of everyone is just waking up. Yeah. But what about your work? What about how you participated?

You can’t love and light everything. You know what I mean? If you’re going to get to love and light, you now have to think about the ways that you were a whole community and what you did to participate in this mockery of what we have going on right now. And that’s even in health. So COVID happened because our leaders who knew that this was coming down the pipe, instead of doing the actual work that you knew that you needed to do to cover and to make yourself safe and to make your children safe, it just was like, “Don’t worry about it. Don’t worry about it.”

So how did we all contribute to that? It always hurt me when people would say like, “Oh, well, COVID is shaking things up, blah, blah, blah.” And I’m like, “Yeah. How does it feel though if your grandma passed?” You don’t feel like no love and light, it felt like pain, it felt like I loved her and she might’ve had 10 more years, but we didn’t have the proper mask to put on her to give her the oxygen. It didn’t feel like the world work woke up. It felt like my grandma passed away. And that’s the kind of work that I feel like that’s the spiritual bypass that a lot of times people do. When you’re actually sitting and doing your work, you have to sit with yourself and say, “Why do I need more space in my brain?” Okay. It’s not going back to work 50 and getting a special appeal to make me work harder, there’s some deeper issue here that is allowing me to force my mind, body, and spirit up against the wall. So what do I need to do?

Tara Newman:

Yeah. So what I think I’m hearing you say in all of this and I think this is like a huge… You’re correct. So I get a lot of people in the business space who are like, “I read the book, I read the book, I read the book, my Kindle is fired up or my audible is fired up.” And I’m like, “Yeah, you’re just numbing.” The constant learning and the constant reading of the book is numbing behavior, in my opinion, if you’re not going to then take that and go deeper and actually implement and take action. So what I’m hearing you say is that there’s a difference around this self-help piece where it creates awareness, but then you just kind of stick a bandaid over it with maybe a mantra or a yoga class or something like that.

And you don’t take it as an opportunity to one, I think, except the things that are not working, but you have to be willing to feel the pain, your pain is the path to progress, in my opinion. And you have to be willing to really take that hard look at yourself, sit with the discomfort, sit with the pain. Because unless you’re feeling that pain so great, you’re not going to change. So the self-help stuff on a surface level can be really numbing. Meaning you’re numbing the pain with this, but it looks like you’re doing something, but you’re not really versus taking this next step where you look at the parts of yourself that are problematic, that you don’t like, that are causing you and maybe others pain. And then doing that work.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I’ve heard so many people say, “Oh, and look what the universe did.” And I look at them and I say, “You just told me the whole story. You actually chose that.”

Tara Newman:

Yes.

Shana Nunnelly:

And I’m talking positive or negative. I’ll call that shit out so fast. Like, “Oh, the universe did dah, dah, dah…” And I was like, “But you applied for the grant.”

Tara Newman:

Yes.

Shana Nunnelly:

It’s a blessing that you got it, but you applied for the grant. So then you received it. So great. The universe did a great thing that you put action to. That’s amazing and awesome. And if you don’t get the grant then it’s like, well, the universe didn’t do… No, you have to do the work. You have to also recognize your own choices. So that person for me, when I was saying about the communication, you’re piss poor manager, because you refused to make yourself vulnerable enough to communicate what your dream is so that other people can get on board with that dream because it’s probably theirs too. But when you say this is what we’re doing at Honeycomb Natural Hair Salon, this is what we believe in. This is what we want.

Okay. But really I was so afraid to say what that really was. I was so afraid that I wasn’t worthy of the dream. I was so afraid that no one would be on board with me with that dream that I was just like, “Oh, I’ll just go in here and I’ll do all the hair. And I’ll answer all the calls and I’ll do all the things. And everybody will like me and I won’t make anything hard for anybody else.” Because that’s what I believe that that’s what people wanted. And so I burned myself completely and totally out and went to these other modalities that I was like, okay, well, these are going to help me to actually feel like my thing was my shoulders. Like, my shoulders hurt so bad. My head is hurting. My neck is hurting because of the way that you stand and stuff. So I was like, okay, if I can get that and I can get deeper rest, then those won’t hurt and I’ll be able to go back to work. And so in a way, I did that, to be honest. I knew that it was something that I wanted to teach after I got my first lesson and I essentially did everything at the hair salon.

And I did everything with sound baths at the same time. So here I’m like, “Oh yeah, I’m going to reduce everything at the salon.” No, I didn’t. I actually took on two wellness businesses that grow because I asked the universe like to make these things grow. And like they continued to grow and until COVID I was like, “Wow, I have not sat down for 48 hours in 20 years.” In 20 years to have two days in my own home without me having to go to the doctor, without me having to do the life errands, I have never been able to actually clean the house ever. I was like, “Oh, so you can just like stand here after you cook and like wipe down the counter?” Because if I cook, I’ve got to go down to the next thing or I have to just go to bed. I’ve eaten, put in something on my stomach, boom, go to bed. So that type of pace was what I was teaching other people to not be a part of, but I was doing it.

Tara Newman:

Yeah. That’s really interesting because I think that, that happens a lot to business owners and stuff like that. And I call that like… I always say like, if something’s not really working out or whatever, you got to get in integrity with your work. So now hearing you say like, COVID has helped you get into integrity with your work. And I completely understand what you’re saying around, you now have the beauty business and you have the sound healing business because that was a huge part of my story.

I worked in corporate while I started this business. And I knew because I saw I was leaving corporate because I was burned out and I needed to figure out. My life just needed to be turned on its head. And I was like, “Well, I’m just going to quit my corporate job. And I’m going to do this for myself. And it’s going to give me more control of my schedule and ultimately my healing.” But I knew that for the first two years in my business, I was going to burn myself out more because I was running them simultaneously or just starting anything up is really… It takes a lot of effort and energy.

Shana Nunnelly:

It’s so a lot of work.

Tara Newman:

What I’m hearing you say around your own healing is that it takes time. This is a lifelong commitment that you have.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah.

Tara Newman:

And that you walk people through, is a lifelong commitment. So you brought it up around COVID. So I’m curious to know what have you learned from that experience and how will you be moving forward with this awareness?

Shana Nunnelly:

So what I learned was I was a pretty smart cookie. So I was really a pretty smart cookie in that self-help spirituality, all those things because usually self-help is a gateway to spirituality. So all the books that I had read, all the things that I truly, truly believed in, I was going to those places because it is my favorite thing in the whole wide world. I love psychology. I love learning how to make our brains suitable for our own life purpose and our own destiny. I love that stuff. So I had read all these books and then during COVID a lot of those books, they ask you to do activities, right? And so it had journaling activities, I could do it, but if it had like sit down and meditate activities or things like that, I was to conveniently skip over that. “I’ll come back to that later.”

Well, then I was able to do all of those activities and was like, are you kidding me? Like this whole time, all I had to do was do the work and do it… Guess what the work was? Sitting down. So I had read all these books on how to run your business intuitively, how to empower yourself to do this, how to manage your money. You know what I mean? And all the worst stuff around money, all that stuff. And for me, my block, I have two things, personally, three things. Okay. Being free, being a black person, and being a woman, I’ve always felt like those things contribute to my wealth in the world. The reason I was born in those three things and how they impact this larger society. And I don’t just even mean America. So freedom in, I get to fully freely express my life purpose being in a country like this, where I truly believe I can fully, no matter what I have to fight against, even my fight is towards freedom, right? So, okay, you’re born here as a black woman and now you get to stand and show others how to be free. So I’ll wear my hair in crazy colors. I wear big outfits that I just love because I get to freely express who I am.

And then being a woman who is black and a person who is always felt disjointed, I become a symbol of what it looks like to be deemed as unworthy and weird because you’re a black woman. You’re not supposed to be doing that. You know what I mean? So now I get to be this thing for all these other humans who will walk around Walmart like she’s wearing all this, she’s doing all this. She has a business that caters to like the most revolutionary act for women. And then to be a woman and say, “I have my own business, I do these things so that other women can be beautiful. I am a symbol of what it means to not be less than because I’m a woman.” That was a huge thing for me growing up. Like as a woman, you should be free. You should not be confined because you have breasts, these breasts feed nations. So I get to be all those things.

So when I finally got to sit down, I knew all those things analytically, right? I knew because I write and journal a lot, but to actually get to sit in it and be like, “Wow, everything that I’ve done is because of my life purpose and everything that I go and continue to do, I now have the opportunity through sound healing, especially to share this gift of centered life purpose with other leaders and other women.” It was just phenomenal. And I worked a lot on my self-worth within all that process, not being afraid of being poor, very huge for being black, being a woman, all women, I think, feel that like, “I’m not going to have enough money to provide, am I going to be able to lead something and sustain myself without doing something that I hate?” That’s huge for us in business. Like really, I want to do the thing that I love, how am I going to?

So I had to let all that go. I was terrified with all these grants and loans as a black person, terrified because the way that we’re raised is like, we’re literally raised on the 40 acres and a mule. Do you know about that 40 acres and a mule? Okay. So when slavery was abolished in this country, it was promised to all black people that they would get 40 acres of land and a mule to work the land as repayment for all they had done. And they knew like you’re coming from living on this plantation, you don’t have anything to sustain yourself, right? You’re not going to be able to go out and get a job, but you do know how to farm. So it was like the best thing ever for your grandfather to say, “I was in this bondage, I worked for generations and now I get this 40 acres and a mule.” No one ever got that 40 acres and a mule and Spike Lee actually named his production company, his whole company is called 40 Acres and a Mule as a reminder that reparations, all that you should work for, all that your ancestors has built, has never actually been repaid.

So when COVID happened and all these money things were coming down the pipe, “You don’t get $1200. You’re going to get this.” Everybody, all black people got on the phone with each other and was like, “Bro, this is 40 acres and a mule.” And nobody bought it with their money. So here I have this small business that I had been working for over 12 months, trying to get a business loan after investing my own money, literally living in the salon, me and my son, we didn’t have money to have a separate location. So I would find live-work loft spaces where we would have our own house or loft, live in it, and run the salon because I would only have a certain amount for overhead. So I’m like, they’re not… When I go out to find money so that I can have a separate church and state, no one’s willing to give me money. All business owners go through that but my layer of trauma was a little bit higher because I was like, “Well, do they know that I’m a woman?”

Tara Newman:

Sure.

Shana Nunnelly:

Do they know that I’m black? Because everyone knows that they’re like things that are associated with your social security number, different things where it’s like, it becomes a red flag. We learned that a lot during the housing crash, like how people of color were continually sold like these certain mortgage packages. So we’d been experiencing this in our real reality and actually having no one to… We didn’t have a Tara to express that to. No one would listen to us when we were saying like, “Huh, when I would go to work, Tara had… She bought a house, but her interest rate was this.” Okay. And you just went ahead and paid it. This seems wrong but we don’t know why. So when all this stuff happened, we were like, okay, all right, you all are saying, you all going to give your own money. You all ain’t never like… We didn’t think nobody was going to get it.

We didn’t think white people were going to get. We’re just like it’s just popping circumstance. They’re going to say this money is out there and we’re all just going to be trying to figure it out on welfare essentially if we couldn’t get our jobs back. The welfare system that was already established, they would give out food stamps and maybe some unemployment for like a couple of hundred dollars a week. So I had to take this huge leap of faith and say, “I want to continue to do sound healing. I don’t know how much money I’m going to actually get.” Somebody said, “Make a donation, do donations on Instagram.” People would donate. And that’s how I survived. Most of the beginning of COVID was just saying like, “If you can help then help.”

But as I continued to be in alignment with the work and the self-worth, I decided to… Well, I got a download and it was like, you’re not going to go back to Honeycomb as a stylist because you’ve already been working too hard. Just understand you’re going to be okay. Tara, I tell you no lies like me just upping that and saying like I’m worth it and this rest is worth it and I can’t drive myself crazy, I communicated with my staff in a completely different way. I was able to do my own sound baths and meditation so that I was very, very clear on the direction that I needed to go, where I needed to put my faith, what applications, what PPP I needed to apply through.

Everything was clear because I had my center, I had my meditations. I had this place that no matter what greater society said about me being black, being a woman, I was free. I’m free. So if today doesn’t work out, I know that if I made no money, my mom was there. I could see all my support systems. I could see all the ways that I was held and that I was okay, sound healing did that. Me being able to sit down, get in meditation day after day, do my work.

Tara Newman:

Calm that nervous system.

Shana Nunnelly:

And calm that fight or flight. And I was so clear. And again, even when I was getting the downloads it was like the main purpose of me doing this work is for women especially, and for people who are in leadership positions, I had no idea how that was going to come about when we were all shutting down. You know what I mean? I’m like, “Well, how am I going to reach these leaders?” I don’t know, but every single day I had my center and I wasn’t afraid. I wasn’t scrambling for money. I wasn’t scrambling to show everyone that I could give to them. That’s a huge thing for me. Give, give, give out, get out, get out, and give out. I started to reevaluate my friendships. How are we equally yoked? Am I giving as much as I’m getting? Those kinds of things just because I’m a people pleaser, right?

Tara Newman:

Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of women can really relate to that. I know that one big issue that I see with women business owners is over-delivering, it’s not even undercharging. I mean, like sometimes it’s undercharging, but even with some of the business owners that I’ve been working with for a long time, they’re happy with what their price is. They’re just over-delivering for what they’re charging.

Shana Nunnelly:

For what it is.

Tara Newman:

And to what you’re saying this was huge for me too especially when COVID hit was around fair, energetic exchange. It’s I think what I’ve heard you saying, like in relationships with my audience, with the people who listen to this podcast, with the people who are my email list, I do a lot for free. Free for others not free for me. So this podcast I always say, I always joke, this podcast is free for everybody else, it’s not free for me. It cost something to produce it.

And there has to be some kind of fair, energetic exchange, like signing up for my email list or leaving me a review for the podcast so that people aren’t simply consuming or go take an action from the podcast and snap it and put it on Instagram just so we can cheer for you that you’ve taken an action from what you’ve learned here today. Because I don’t think with where we are right now, I think that I don’t know if you felt like this, but a lot of people said to me, they kind of felt like they manifested COVID because they needed a break. They needed that time with their family, they needed to rest. They needed to reevaluate. And they’re like, “Oh my gosh, shit. I think I like manifested this.”

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah, because I had planned to… I kept looking at my schedule for like two weeks, where can I get two weeks? Where can I get three weeks? Where can I get a month? I had already been looking for a place that I could put in my calendar for the year that I could be off for an entire month to do this. And then I called… It took me a minute because I was like, people are going to think this is super duper insensitive, but I was just like, “I got a month with no bills.” Because like immediately the mortgage company called, the car companies called, it was all like… And they were coming to us to be like, “Are you okay?” Because they didn’t want their bottom lines to… I didn’t know that at the time I was just super excited but they knew financially for like basically this is going to run up a bunch of charges for these people and it’s not going to make any difference. They’re not going to pay it or if they do, it’s just going to create more of an issue.

So immediately I paid all of course… Well, not of course, but I paid all of my… Because they weren’t even in Georgia, they couldn’t disconnect your electric and all that kind of stuff. Supposedly, countrywide you were not supposed to do that? So I was like, “Oh wow.” But I don’t have to pay my mortgage from savings or from anything else. I get like really, truly a month paid vacation. I knew that in March, I didn’t know what was going to come the next month. But I was like, “Oh, I know for April, I’m not going to have anything to do.” So that helped me to free my mind to be like, “Okay, everything as a business owner is about the money. It’s all the money. Okay, what happens at the bottom line?” The bottom line is if you cannot pay your mortgage, you’re screwed.

So we always kind of have that in the back of our mind. Like you save for your vacation normally because you don’t have paid vacation. So you’ll save up your $1000, $2000 or some people just put it on their credit card. For me, I was like, “Oh, this is a vacation.” Because my mom, my family kind of works from home already, I checked all the boxes and my family to make sure that they were okay. And I was like, everybody is okay. Everybody is financially sound. April’s about to be great. And it’s going to be spring outside. I spent every day in April outside, just walking around, watching Netflix. I had a park.

Tara Newman:

Amazing.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah. But it gave that… I definitely can relate to folks who are just like, I don’t think that I made a bunch of people die, but I definitely have taken the perspective of I get to the rest during this time.

Tara Newman:

Yeah. So what I’m hearing you say is you’re coming out of COVID a much more emotionally strong.

Shana Nunnelly:

Healthier.

Tara Newman:

Healthier, energetically cared for, physically cared for, and allowing you to have that space, where you make some big decisions about how you’re going forward, it allowed you to build capacity again.

Shana Nunnelly:

Everything changed. Everything changed. Like even me building the capacity, to be honest with you, me, and two of my mentors, now we’re working on how to build up my energetic field even wider than it was.

Tara Newman:

The world better watch out because your energetic field is pretty deep. I’ve been in your energetic field. It’s pretty damn sweet in there.

Shana Nunnelly:

Thank you. That’s such a compliment. Thank you so much. But yeah, that’s what we’re working on now because they’re like, “Okay, you finally at least come to the surface, like now you are at least in a balanced place.” So now it’s like we really get to make everything bigger because now you have it to… There’s no doubt about my balancing. There’s no doubt about me feeling exhausted anymore because I know that I’m going to do what you said and feel out every project that I do. Recently, I had this amazing project that I had to say no to, which was with what they call a Death Doula. So she’s a woman who takes people through the death process. And I was like, are you serious like I’ll be able to play sound baths as a soothing forum for the people who were going, “Girl, this is like, Oh my God, I would love to do that.”

Tara Newman:

Nothing can stop you.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah. So I told her like, “Let me wait on it because I want to see if I’m able to energetically hold space.” And guess what? I couldn’t. I had to say no, I had to email her back and say, “Hey, from what I’m getting, I don’t personally right now have the capacity to do that, but I’m going to work on it. And when I know that I’m able to hold space for the people that you… Then I’m going to reach back out and I’m going to be fully on board.” I never thought in a million years I would have to say no to anything that had to do with people transitioning spiritually, that’s my bag. You know what I mean? To help folks go through that. I was like, “Yeah. I want that because I always feel people can not grieve properly in the US.” We kind of like, it’s a funeral now should be over and people don’t know how to deal with it. So this will be great. I don’t have it right now. I had to energetically say no.

Tara Newman:

That’s so interesting because you brought up a really interesting topic. So I want to close us out, but I want to ask you this question. And I think that this really spurred something for me as well I’m like when or why you would want to have sound healing. And for me, grief and there are so many people right now who are in a state of loss and grief around what’s happening in the world. What are some other reasons why people either come to you for sound healing or maybe why you think they should come to you for sound healing? So the people who are listening to this today can identify themselves and say, “Oh yeah, I do need to call Shana.”

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah. So another huge, huge reason to come to sound healing is for any amount of, I know this is going to sound crazy, but confusion. Sound healing gives this extraordinary amount of clarity. Clarity that you didn’t even know that you needed, clarity that you didn’t even know that you could get to. So a lot of times we see it as relaxation, but you get this huge amount of clarity. So people have come to me when they have relationship issues. And we know that emotionally that can create confusion. Of course, work issues. Purpose issues have been a huge one. A lot of people have been shifting their work or how they do their work. So a lot of people come for that. A lot of people come because of actual physical elements. So sometimes we have ongoing arthritis. Sometimes we have ongoing things in our knees, all these common places that people are like, “Oh, my knees are bad.”

Tara Newman:

So I had sciatica both times that I’ve had sound healing with you. And that has had a positive impact on my sciatica.

Shana Nunnelly:

Right. And I tell people like, if you have a pain, usually the pain will erupt. Meaning like, you’ll get a strong sensation in your knee. You’re like, “Oh my God, this is not what I wanted to do.” I had a friend who dislocated their shoulder during the sound healing. It was excruciating because the vibrations basically are pulling it into a mend. And so then after that, for two days, he won’t have any pain. So it’s this really amazing thing where it like electrifies what’s going on there and it realigns it. So it can be like a part of a physical therapy if you need it. Those kinds of people, I would say they should come often because it can really, really help to heal them and there’s been all these studies about how you can heal things through sound vibrations, but also know that physically when they’re doing surgeries and they’re doing it with the… It’s non-invasive is what I’m trying to say. A non-invasive surgery, that’s essentially sound and vibration.

Like when they’re doing the little laser cuts or what have you on you, if you really think about that, that’s just like a bunch of vibrations going in order to like heal you. So sound healing has a much lower vibration in those kinds of surgeries. So that’s a really, really important just the physical body, when you have migraines, headaches, anything that has to do with that, those are all nerve endings type of things, arthritis, those are nerve ending things. So anything that has to do with those kinds of any kind of physical elements, it will be really, really great. And then sometimes it’s just subconscious.

Tara Newman:

Yeah. I was thinking like open, energetic loops where you’re feeling really drained, but you don’t know why you’re feeling really drained. Maybe you need closure around a relationship and you need to cut that energetic cord. Those types of things I have found sound healing incredibly helpful for. And then just the basic, it is restorative. There is a lot of rests that accounts and there is a lot of calming to the nervous system and healing that happens.

Shana Nunnelly:

I want to add this too when you go to a sound healer one-on-one, it doesn’t matter who you go to, everybody kind of has a different thing. So there’s some people who do sound healing and they essentially play all their instruments and they know that the way that they do it, it’s going to heal you overall. The difference between my sound healings and others is that when we do it one-on-one, it is so specific to you that I can’t even play an instrument if it’s not going to help you energetically if it’s not going to help you physically. So I won’t even know that I’m playing this certain thing for your sciatica, but then it’s working for it just because that’s how it channels for me. Like it’s not music, it’s medicine.

Tara Newman:

Also Shana’s downloads. So you had such good downloads for us as a group. I mean like spot on, oh my gosh, downloads as a group. And then I had my sound healing session with you and that it was like really good around. And we’re still talking about it actually before we started this podcast and then the women in, it was a part of the mastermind retreat because we couldn’t go Tulum, they got a group sound healing with Shana, and then they got individual sessions with Shana. And they were coming back like, “My mind is blown from that sound healing session.” So that’s why I said like you’re doing something to your field, everybody better watch out because it’s pretty good to begin with. And your downloads are so spot on. And there’s just so much to take away from that experience without having to be in your head, thinking about it. And it’s like embodied experience. So Shana, where can people find you if they want to have this experience?

Shana Nunnelly:

So the best way to find me, I have a website. It’s my first and last name, Shana Nunnelly. I am greatly considering changing that to something like rest ritual or something like that just so… Because my last name, Nunnelly, it’s just so long girl, it’s just true.

Tara Newman:

We’re going to link it up in our podcast notes.

Shana Nunnelly:

Yeah. It’s a long name. I was like, “I wish my name was Shana Brown.” Like just Brown is so simple. So shananunnelly.com and then on Instagram, I’m connectwithshana. Connect with Shana, came about, it was my whole name and I changed it to Connect with Shana because that’s what I feel when I’m doing sound healing. I feel like it’s such a direct connection and it helps others to connect with themselves. So it’s Connect with Shana and then in my link tree, then you can just pick, there’s a bunch of different things there for you to pick my offerings.

And my offerings have tiers, I changed the top tier so you can just get a sound bath with no intuitive reading or anything like I’m going to play for you intuitively but that doesn’t mean that you get like the download after. If that’s not what you’re there for, I just need to lay down and rest and come to my own center then wonderful just come, we’re going to meet up on Zoom. You’re going to get that video later. You can play the video for yourself over and over again, unlimited. So that one is called Exhale. You’re just exhaling. You’re just getting to just be. And then there is rest ritual.

Tara Newman:

That’s the one you want.

Shana Nunnelly:

That’s good.

Tara Newman:

Anybody listening, go visit Shana’s website, that’s the one you want.

Shana Nunnelly:

So there’s rest ritual and rest ritual is the whole shebang. That is where you get the sound healing. You get your oracle card, you get your full download of why I played what I played, what came through for you? What healing? You get a whole medicine after it’s like what you probably need to do even to take it a bit further if you wanted to for yourself. And then there’s rest reunion. So rest reunion is like a family reunion where you bring you, your homies, whoever you want, your husband, it doesn’t matter. But that is the multi-group ritual that again, it still has the oracle card reading for the intention for the entire group or for the couple or what have you. And I just named that, that because people were like, “Well, what do I do if I want to bring friends?” I’m like, “Oh, you want to have a reunion.” And so that’s why that one is called that.

Tara Newman:

Awesome. Thank you so much, Shana. Thank you for coming and speaking with us.

Shana Nunnelly:

You are so, so welcome. I really enjoyed it.

Tara Newman:

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